Girl in the Picture: A 25-Year Mystery Solved
In Netflix's latest true crime documentary Girl in the Picture, a woman named Sharon Marshall is found dying by a road, leaves behind a son, a man claiming to be her husband—and a mystery that unfolds like a nightmare. The film tells an incredibly tragic tale and the incredible story of how the mystery was eventually solved twenty-five years later.
Directed and produced by award-winning filmmaker Skye Borgman, Girl in the Picture looks at who Sharon Marshall was, her many different lives and identities, the people whom she touched and the world that she left behind.
Releasing on Netflix on July 6th, Girl in the Picture represents a tribute to this young woman and to victims everywhere.
“I’m mostly interested in telling human stories and crime gives us the full spectrum of humanity, from the very best to the very worst of people.” - Skye Borgman
Time Stamps:
00:00 - The trailer for Girl in the Picture.
03:30 - A synopsis of what the film is about.
04:55 - What inspired Skye to make a film about Sharon Marshall.
07:00 - What caused law enforcement to investigate Sharon’s case.
09:07 - How Franklin Delano Floyd got away with crime for so long.
13:58 - How Skye became involved in the project.
15:24 - The increase of podcasts that complement documentary films.
17:30 - What makes a successful documentary.
23:55 - What surprised Skye the most when making Girl in the Picture.
25:44 - Why they chose to use feature documentary format to tell the story.
27:40 - The next project Skye is working on.
Resources:
Girl in the Picture (2022)
Abducted in Plain Sight (2017)
MovieMaker Magazine
Innersound Audio
Alamo Pictures
Connect with Skye Borgman:
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Transcript for Factual America Episode 104: Girl in the Picture: A 25-Year Mystery Solved
Skye Borgman 00:00
I'm Skye Borgman. I'm the director and a producer of the new Netflix documentary, Girl in the Picture.
Speaker 1 00:06
In 2002, a friend sent me a photograph. It was a picture of a little girl, her father. The more you looked at the picture, and the more you looked at her, you could see something was terribly wrong. The only person that knew her real identity was her father.
Speaker 2 00:27
Franklin Floyd had been a fugitive for almost two decades. He robbed a bank, he had a history of violence.
Speaker 3 00:35
He was an expert and concealed his identity.
Speaker 4 00:38
He had a daughter: Sharon Marshall.
Speaker 5 00:40
She wanted to go to Georgia Tech, be an aerospace engineer. I remember the phone call and she said she was pregnant, "But daddy won't let me go to college now."
Speaker 6 00:51
We discovered that they changed their names. He took her round to strip clubs to make a living for him. There's a big question here: What happened to Sharon Marshall?
Speaker 7 01:05
As an investigative journalist, you try to get down to the truth.
Speaker 8 01:08
All this information very simple to analyze, and we had a real problem.
Speaker 9 01:13
This is more than just a crime story. Who is this girl?
Speaker 10 01:15
She went by many names.
Speaker 11 01:18
We had a portrait of very different people.
Speaker 12 01:21
This beautiful young woman was trapped in evil.
Speaker 13 01:26
She was stuck and didn't know how to get out.
Speaker 14 01:30
What happened? And who the hell is she?
Matthew 01:40
This is Factual America. We're brought to you by Alamo Pictures, an Austin and London based production company, making documentaries about America for international audiences. I'm your host, Matthew Sherwood. Each week, I watch a hit documentary and then talk with the filmmakers and their subjects. This week, it is my pleasure to welcome award winning filmmaker Skye Borgman, the director and producer of the Netflix feature documentary, Girl in the Picture, which released on July 6. In this film, a woman found dying by a road, leaves behind a son, a man claiming to be her husband, and a mystery that unfolds like a nightmare. Join us as we learn more about this incredibly tragic tale and the incredible story of how the mystery was eventually solved 25 years later. Skye is also the director of another fascinating and compelling true crime hit, 2017's Abducted in Plain Sight. And we asked Skye, what is the secret to her success. Skye, welcome to Factual America. How are things with you?
Skye Borgman 02:38
Good. Thank you so much. It's great to be sitting here talking to you today.
Matthew 02:41
Well, it's great to have you on. Just to remind our listeners, we're speaking with Skye Borgman, the director and producer of Girl in the Picture. It's on Netflix. A feature documentary releasing on July 6. So, congratulations, I'm sure this will be a fixture in the Netflix Top 10 once it releases, so, congratulations again on getting this to this stage. And maybe we can start off, I - you know, there's gonna be a lot of, I hate to say it, I think I'm gonna end up using the word 'spoiler alert' quite a bit. But I just want to say, maybe you can get us started, because I imagine most of our listeners will not have seen the documentary yet, but what is Girl in the Picture all about?
Skye Borgman 03:31
So, Girl in the Picture is about a young woman who lived many different lives, had many different identities. And we sort of follow her journey that really begins with her death and unravel who she was throughout time; unravel the people that she met along the way - some better, some worse - and kind of look at relationship between her and who she believes is her father. We come to find out that's not necessarily the case, but he certainly is the man that raised her from a very young age. It's a crime documentary, but it's very much a documentary that looks at who this woman was; who Sharon Marshall was; who the people that she impacted and the world that she left behind, and the impact that she made in a very short period of time. I mean, she was 20 years old when she died and so, it's really victim forward, and really kind of a beautiful, hopefully, tribute to this young woman and to victims everywhere.
Matthew 04:27
Yeah. Having seen it I completely agree. Let's focus - if we can focus a little bit more on her - I mean, at the time of her death, I guess she's known as Tonya Hughes. But, as you said, many aliases, but she's this - what comes across, maybe this is a spoiler alert, I don't know, but she is this caring soul and this incredibly intelligent young woman who touched a lot of lives in her very short life.
Skye Borgman 04:57
Yeah, and I think, honestly, that's one of the things that was most impactful to me, and what drew me the most to telling this story was the young woman herself and how her actions and the way that she existed in this world and the way that she affected people, both while she was alive, and after she was dead, like, it was very interesting, because she somehow had this, I don't know, ability to reach back from after she was dead to really affect people, affect law enforcement, to really try to figure out what happened to her. Her friends, when they were in high school, remembered her deeply, far, far, far beyond high school and that, you know, I mean, I'm sure we all have friends from high school that, you know, they show up on our Facebook feeds or they reach out to you, and you're like, who is that person? I know the name sounds kind of familiar, but I've lost track after, you know, a few, 20 years or so, 30 years. And so, you're kind of going who is that person but she made some really, really deep friendships in the short period of time that she knew these people. And that was very intriguing to me. Her power over all of us.
Matthew 06:05
Yeah. And I mean, that comes - as you say, it came across with the interviews with her high school friends, the law enforcement officials, the guy who kept a picture of - well, I think - was it her or her son actually, but kept the...
Skye Borgman 06:19
Both.
Matthew 06:20
Both?
Skye Borgman 06:20
Yeah.
Matthew 06:21
... up on his, you know, until the day he retired. That's what he looked at every morning when he came into work. So, and all walks of life different she was headed for, if not for all the tragic events, she was probably headed for, to be a aeronautical engineer and a high flyer, if you will, and yet touched those even when she had to, you know, in the lower points, I guess, as well, in terms of the different people she met and all the different walks of life she went in; so, but this all kind of - I mean, I guess the start of the story is this horrible thing that happened with her son, isn't it? Michael, I mean, it starts with his kidnapping, at least in terms of how this all starts coming to light.
Skye Borgman 07:11
Yeah, in terms of law enforcement, and when people sort of in that sort of universe really started looking at this story, there was no crime that had been reported before she died, really; even her death was considered for the most part, a hit and run and accidental, they were never able to prove anything. But really when law enforcement started looking at this case in a much deeper way, was when her son was kidnapped at gunpoint out of his elementary school. And he had been in foster care, you know, and that's really when the FBI got involved, and in a very, very big way, started looking at who this person was, and who the man who kidnapped Michael was. That's when his world really started to unravel, and when her world really started to become clearer, but it took many, many years to really find out the truth about who Sharon Marshall, Tonya Hughes, who that woman was.
Matthew 08:09
Yeah. But I guess the other sort of main character, if you will, is the, as you said, the man purportedly to be her, well, one time husband, then actual father, we think, or most people thought, is this guy, who I guess we know as, ultimately, as Franklin Delano Floyd. And maybe we can without putting him forward, I mean, he is obviously - got many aliases, but one MO, which is, seems to be murder and mayhem. I mean, he's a - that's when, I guess, I imagine - we were actually talking with some of your colleagues before and I think he used the term 'jaw dropping', but it must have been sort of jaw dropping for the investigators as they started unpeeling this onion, and finding out all the twists and turns to this story.
Skye Borgman 09:08
Yeah, absolutely. Because, I mean, they were faced with looking at this man, with so many aliases, and they really had to put it together. And let's face it, I mean, he was a professional criminal, and he was very, very good at it; he was very good at, you know, as soon as somebody started figuring out kind of who he was, or that there was something a little bit off, he could make a fake ID and leave and start a whole new life in another state. And so, the states, you know, especially at that period of time in the, you know, 60s, 70s, 80s, even into the 90s, really, they weren't talking state-to-state. They still, you know, there're still sort of problems with that. And so, he knew how to work the system. He'd been in the justice, you know, incarcerated before and so, he knew a lot about how to dodge people and how to sort of work around things. So, he was a master at that.
Matthew 09:59
Yeah. I mean, as someone who moved states and was worried about having to pay a parking ticket for my last place where I lived, I know, in the 90s, I mean, I can imagine, you know, it did catch up with me. But, I mean, it's - yeah, I think, it is - it always, I think, amazes us that, yes, I agree, it's a different time, but how do you - you have to get new social security numbers, you have to do all kinds of things, how do you get this to happen, but he just seemed to be a master at this.
Skye Borgman 10:02
And ultimately, it tripped him up, too; especially with the social security numbers, you know, really ends up tripping him up. I mean, I guess, ultimately, it has to catch up with you. I mean, you know, when you lie so much, and then you have to keep track of all those lies. Ultimately, you just fall down. And that's what he did. And that's what really led to sort of the domino effect that ended up getting him caught.
Matthew 10:50
Okay. Now, eventually, as you've said, and we're not, I mean, again, spoiler alerts, but we won't go into the, I guess, the detail, I let you lead on this, to be honest with you, but we will be releasing this about the time that the film releases. Eventually, Tonya Hughes, Sharon Marshall, her true identity does come to light. Now, this is, as you said, it took many years for this to happen and what - maybe we can say something about the people who behind, you know, this story that took decades to find. A lot of, I guess, what you're showing is - or reveal - is, you know, people like Matt Birkbeck would have been involved. But how did this, you know, it was an interesting mix of people, sort of amateur investigators, investigative journalists, and FBI who've got us to this point where we actually find out who Sharon really was.
Skye Borgman 11:48
Yeah, Matt Birkbeck was critical in it. And Joe Fitzpatrick was critical. I mean, Joe spent many, many years of his career while he was still an active, special agent in the FBI, really trying to figure out who this woman was and what happened to Michael, her son. And even after his retirement, you know, he kept in contact with people and it was personal to him. He wanted to give some sort of closure, I guess, to himself, to people who were involved, to people who knew Sharon, and it was him and then Matt Birkbeck becoming involved in the story, becoming interested in the story, who were then able to find out what really truly happened, to fill in a lot of the holes - was Matt Birkbeck, who was really able to fill in a lot of the holes of what had happened to Sharon, and ultimately, was a huge factor in finding out what her true identity was, and that in large part, too, it was a very present day thing, and very much because of a lot of armchair detectives sort of coming in, a lot of people really interested in the story. So, it goes even beyond the law enforcement that Sharon was able to reach, but her story impacted so many people through, you know, social media through digital means. And then people were giving a lot of information, trying to come up with clues. And ultimately, we are able to find her true identity and even, you know, go a little bit further than that and find out some more information.
Matthew 13:16
Yeah, indeed. And just pure - I mean, I hate to use the term luck, but just pure luck. Someone happening to see a photo, or a friend recommending the book and saying, Wait - you know, or something like that, you know, that was just incredible.
Skye Borgman 13:32
Yeah, I mean, finding the book, seeing the photo, and even, you know, how we tracked down sort of another crime that Franklin Floyd committed, was law enforcement communicating with each other over state lines and kind of putting pieces together, and going above and beyond, and working with all these different jurisdictions to try to find out who this woman was and what happened to her son.
Matthew 13:52
Okay. How did you become involved with this project?
Skye Borgman 13:57
So, I became involved - it's funny, because it was a long project when you think of back before Covid, which is when I first became involved in the project. Jimmy Fox from All3Media reached out to me and they were talking with Netflix, and they came to me with this idea of this podcast - film collaboration partnership. I thought it was a really great idea because after I read both of Matt's books, there's a lot of story to tell, there's a lot of really amazing detailed story to tell and to do that in a feature length documentary was challenging. And so, this idea of the podcast, being able to sort of go into and tell more details about various elements of the story was really appealing to me and that these two could sort of be in production at the same time, and it's not really - you know, the podcast isn't sort of picking up where the film left off, but it really is a companion piece to this film. And I love the idea of that, and I love the idea of telling Sharon's story and finding the humanity and really getting that out in the film. So, it all happened before Covid. And then Covid hit and everything got stretched out and delayed and filming got delayed until probably about a year later. And then we were sort of full steam ahead.
Matthew 15:16
I mean, you mentioned the podcast, is this something that we're going to be seeing increasingly? I mean, it's not the first time...
Skye Borgman 15:23
I think we already are.
Matthew 15:24
Yeah.
Skye Borgman 15:24
Yeah. I mean, I think we already are seeing it increasingly, I mean, people are drawn to these longer format stories. I mean, even looking at where the documentaries are, you know, we've gone from feature length 90 minute to two hour documentaries, to limited series. People want the detail, they want the time to live with these people. And I think we're seeing - I've seen a lot more of the sort of, you know, filmmaker’s perspective on what's behind a documentary. But to expand on the actual story. I think podcasts have really - I mean, there's some incredible podcasts out there doing these documentary style storytelling, and I think people are drawn to the details into having as much information as they can.
Matthew 16:03
Okay, I think that actually gives us a chance to give our listeners a quick, early break, but we'll be right back with Skye Borgman, the director and producer of Girl in the Picture, releasing on Netflix on July 6.
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Matthew 16:39
Welcome back to Factual America. I'm here with award winning filmmaker, Skye Borgman, director and producer of Girl in the Picture. Releases on Netflix on July 6, it's a documentary feature. We've been talking, obviously, about Girl in the Picture. This, obviously, is not your first true crime doc and certainly won't be your first hit true crime doc. I mean, what's the secret to your success? Because I feel like - I mean, as someone who's now seen the films and this film in particular, I mean, let's face it, there's true crime and then there's - there's something about the story that takes it to another level. Is it about picking the right stories? Is it more than just storytelling? What do you think is the key? Because it's an extremely compelling watch.
Skye Borgman 17:32
I think for me, it's picking a story that really resonates with me. I definitely enjoy stories that I don't completely understand. That have a lot of layers to them. That have a lot of complexity, and it takes me a minute to kind of, at least attempt, to figure out how or why something happened. I can't always figure out exactly how or why something happened, but I like stories that I'm not completely certain of how things evolve. And I think, too, I'm mostly interested in telling human stories, and I think those are just - crime gives us the full spectrum of humanity from the very, very best to the very, very worst of people. And so, I think really sort of unraveling the human condition and what drives us to do the different things we do; how we come back from certain tragedies or traumas, that's really interesting to me. And also, just looking at stories where there may not be, you know, a very sort of typical trajectory of how things happen. Things that sort of take little detours, and people who do things that are unexpected, and interesting people. Those are the stories that interest me, and those are the ones that really compel me. We spend a lot of years on stories, you know; for me now, we're going on almost three years that I've been with Girl in the Picture. And so, you have to be connected to it, personally. And you have to have that guide to kind of tell these stories.
Matthew 19:05
Do you go into it thinking this is going to be a documentary thriller? Or is it just the story plays out in front of you as you're working on it and that's the best way of, I mean, telling the story while also being respectful, as you say to the victims, and friends, and family members.
Skye Borgman 19:26
I think it's a combination of both. I mean, I always go into a story having a - like, the first steps are really kind of knowing what the building blocks are to the story and going, Do I have the pieces, you know, that I can put this story together? Do I have those? And by pieces, I don't even mean beginning, middle and end. I mean, are there characters that are complex? Are there ideas that are divisive? Are there interesting moments that are curious? And those are the things I'm looking for in a story. But ultimately, it's a totally different story when you're doing the research on it. And then you go out and film it, and it becomes something completely different because people say different things, and then you just are meeting people in person and they change your perspective a little bit. And then it changes in post. So, I feel like I always have a great perspective, and approach to things when I go into it. But ultimately, the story really does dictate how its told and why it's told and where it goes and how it goes together. And it's, you know, it's collaboration with a huge team of people. I mean, you know, I mean, we're sitting here, it's just you and me talking about this story, and I'm listed as the director but, Matt Birkbeck was an incredible partner in this. He knew so many people. I mean, our editor Fernanda was incredible. Producer Dani Sloane, I mean, it's all these people sort of coming together, and Jimmy with a production company, and Jimmy Stofer with the music. I mean, it's this team of people that really sort of just comes into this project and brings it to life - gives it the life that Sharon deserves.
Matthew 19:34
Yeah. And I know you'd also add the subjects themselves because, I think, in this documentary - I mean, it's true with most documentaries, but especially in this one, I mean, the memories, the vivid memories and retelling that everyone was able to give, and the fact that most of the people are still around even this many years later. I mean, it was just - that gives it so much life as well.
Skye Borgman 21:30
And it’s so many people wanted to talk, which is not usually the case with stories like this. Because it's hard to talk about this stuff, and it's hard to go on camera and be public and talk about a lot of these really awful, terrible feelings. And there were so many people - I mean, I think, you know, at the beginning, I had 35 people on my interview list. I mean, they really wanted to talk, and you go, it's in a feature length documentary, 35 people is almost too many, you know, and what do you need to tell the story but everybody wanted to talk about Sharon and it really isn't always the case because people, they - it's hard to talk about this stuff. It's important to appreciate them. That's such a big part of it, right, I appreciate everybody. I appreciate the relationships that Matt Birkbeck had and kept for 20 years with everybody and how open they were to having me and a team of people come in and set these big cameras up and shine a light on them and say, Please tell me your story. And to have them tell it so eloquently and so beautifully. And so heart wrenchingly, it's just such an honor to be in the room with them.
Matthew 22:33
I mean, that's a very good point. We're not talking about professional actors. These are people who've probably never been on camera in their lives. And they are just - I was blown away by that, actually,
Skye Borgman 22:43
I was too, and I always am, you know, I always am. It's why I do this job. You know, it's why I love documentary films, because it just gives me the opportunity to meet people that I would never meet if I was working somewhere else; you know, I meet people that I'm, you know, that work at these different places that live these different lives, that have had these different experiences and these different paths and these different futures. And it's just such an honor, that they're willing to share themselves with me and then with the world.
Matthew 23:12
Yeah, and I guess, given the subject matter, it also, at least for me, strengthens my view of my fellow men and women, you know, in terms of there are these people out there who are, I mean, essentially, the law enforce - all of them just kept plugging ahead, trying to find, you know, for decades, trying to get to the root of this story. I mean, we were talking also about, you know, how the film plays out and everything. But are you ever - I mean, in this film particular, were there things that surprised you? Did you get to some places that you weren't expecting to go?
Skye Borgman 23:54
I definitely - I mean, look, at the beginning, there's two books, right, on this subject. So, you're kind of sorted. You can read the two books, and you're like, we have all the answers. It's done, right. There are two books published. But even when we were on sets and filming, and Matt was with us, for every interview that we did, and there were just little details that somebody would mention, and we'd go, Wait a minute, you know, that ties into this, that ties into this, that ties into this. And there were certainly things that we learned after we were wrapped, while we were still filming, that led to more information, some of which appears in the documentary and other that's sort of just not meant to be sort of shared publicly.
Matthew 24:36
Okay. Okay. Fair enough. I respect your wishes on that. I mean, what was the main challenge, you think, in making this?
Skye Borgman 24:48
The main challenge was really, I think, maybe getting everybody involved, but giving them the time that they deserved to sort of talk about this woman. And look, it was easy to love Sharon. We all loved Sharon, right? It was very easy to do that. I think it was giving the people the time they deserved to tell their story, and telling the story from the documentary perspective in - it's an hour and 40 minutes long, roughly - and so, getting all of those story points in there and deciding what to leave out, and what to not include that we could then go into detail in the podcast. But that was hard. I mean, there were times, you know, I mean, I think our first - look, our first cut was, like, five hours long, and it had a lot of information, but really deciding what to leave out of it was a challenge.
Matthew 25:39
So, did you consider doing a series instead of a feature?
Skye Borgman 25:44
Yeah, at some point, you know, there were some conversations about it. But ultimately, we all felt the feature documentary format was the best one to tell this particular story. And some of it had to do with the podcast relationship. But really, you know, looking at this, looking at this woman's arc in life, it just felt like the feature was the way to go. And I, you know, there were times where I'm like, Gosh, we really could make three episodes. We could have one be Tonya. We could have one be Sharon. We could have one be the final sort of act. But it really is sort of how one sort of topples into the other that I think this is the best format for the story.
Matthew 26:20
And I say this with the representatives of Netflix on the line, but was there ever any pressure - you know, how did that work? I mean, in that relationship. Was that the decision you've made, or I guess, a collaborative decision that this is the best way of telling the story?
Skye Borgman 26:35
It was a collaborative decision. I mean, there were conversations, you know about it, and it's like, Could we, you know, could we? Do we want to do it in three? Could we hold it up in three? And it was definitely a meaningful conversation that happened. It was very much a collaborative decision to go with a feature doc.
Matthew 26:50
Okay. Well, I watched it yesterday. It's gonna sit with me for a while. I was very impressed, and very thankful for making this. Especially as you say, it's a victim forward celebration of Sharon's life, as well as telling this incredible tale of - and tragic one, obviously - of her life and how it all came to light of her true identity. And then I think, as you say, goes even a little further. So, you know, I do highly recommend that people give this a watch. But you're maybe not even thinking this far ahead, but what's next for you?
Skye Borgman 27:43
So, I'm developing a lot of ideas right now. And there are a couple of other projects that are in line to be coming out reasonably soon. So, I will keep you posted, for sure.
Matthew 27:56
But nothing you can tell us about!
Skye Borgman 27:58
Right!
Matthew 28:00
We're used to that around here. Are you staying with true crime? Are you going to do other...?
Skye Borgman 28:08
I'm staying with true crime. I'm definitely staying with true crime. There's so much richness there. There's so much I think that we can - you know, it's a complicated area to exist in for many different reasons. I mean, it's complicated to live there emotionally, it's complicated to find the right balance of telling a story. And so, that's, you know, the complications of telling these stories are also really fascinating to me and doing people justice, and telling it with the right nuance. So, it's a challenge that I'm very much up for.
Matthew 28:38
Yeah. And it's certainly a calling and so, I'm thankful that you've pursued that calling. So, I just wanted to thank you again for coming on to Factual America. Just to remind our listeners and viewers we've been talking with award winning filmmaker Skye Borgman, director and producer of Girl in the Picture. Drops on Netflix on July 6, and it's an hour and 40 minutes. Well worth your time. So, thanks again, Skye, it's been a pleasure talking with you.
Skye Borgman 29:07
A pleasure talking with you, too. Thank you so much.
Matthew 29:09
All right, take care.
Skye Borgman 29:10
Thank you.
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